It’s hard to believe that this is likely the last time I’ll be writing a post about Battlestar Galactica. The actors have said their piece already, and creator Ronald D. Moore has gone on detailed interviews and his usual podcast, into great detail, attempting to explain the decisions behind how things played out the way they did. The buzz has died down to near nothing now, only a few days later. Maybe it’s because all that needed to be said was said, people are still absorbing the happenings of the finale and the series as a whole, or are simply still in mourning.
My initial thoughts on the finale still hold true, even after a second viewing and a few days to let them stew. With Moore’s revelations after the finale, and also those he’s made throughout the series in podcasts, I now have some thoughts about the series as a whole that sum up to this: Ronald D. Moore should get out of TV and move entirely on to movies.
There’s been a lot of discussion in the past few seasons of Battlestar Galactica that Moore and the other writers of BSG have been winging it as they go along. In fact, to a point, Moore hasn’t really made a secret about that, sometimes referring to some of the earlier decisions made as being “painted into a corner,” only forcing him and his creative team to figure a way out. Luckily for him, they’ve done so with relative success, even though there are a few footprints still left in the wet paint.
Setting an end date for the series was a brilliant decision. The longer Galactica went on, introducing us to more mythology and mysteries, there were simply too many chances that something new would contradict something old, only further confusing and irritating the viewers. Moore’s been saying lately — and perhaps from the start — that this show was “never about the plot” but was about the characters, the people. However, there was still, indeed, a plot involved. Because Moore was instead trying to develop the characters, not enough time was being spent on the plot, even though there were still people extremely interested and invested in it. The plot, therefore, became a distraction. And, for Moore, it seems it was an irritating one.
Let’s briefly look back at some of the plot pieces left on the table that were not addressed as well as they could have been: the lack of a Cylon “plan,” the mentioning of 13 Cylon models and the quick handling of “Daniel,” the glowing spines of Cylons having sex … there are more. Fanatics of BSG will find no fault in how these aspects of the story were (or were not) handled, though, again, Moore has even said he’s made mistakes here. And while some of us were left confused, perhaps over-analyzing the meaning or lack of meaning behind these aspects of the plot, Moore says he meant for us to care for the characters, not this silly plot that he’s been wrapping bandages around.
My point about Moore sticking to movies is that four seasons was clearly too long for him to tell this story. Moore and the other writers were given too large a canvas to work with, with an initial deadline nowhere in sight. All along, Moore likely meant for this story to be about the characters; the “show bible” he sometimes references likely contains very little on plot and consists mostly of character stories. With the lack of overall story and plot, it went in many different directions that the writers had to frantically tie together, some a little messier than others.
Imagine a kid playing with Legos, stacking them with as many blue blocks he has before he puts a roof on top to call it a building. The higher he goes, the more wobbly the building gets, yet he keeps on going. Finally, when the construction is way over his head and just before the whole thing could come crashing down, he decides it’s time to put the final roof block on top and call it complete. And there it is, a finished building that’s nearly toppling over, some pieces jutting out here and there and a few unused pieces scattered about. Yet, this is what he calls complete. Mommy and daddy can find no wrong in anything their son does and find the building perfect, while other kids mock him for how the whole thing is a big mess.
It was never about how high or straight and neat the building was, it was about the blue blocks the child used to put it together. That’s Moore’s BSG, and I, for one, am not his proud papa.
If Moore was given a deadline and a set time limit of three hours, he could tell a story that he wants to tell without anything contradicting something that happened earlier. He simply needs a smaller canvas to work with, where there’s a set amount of time for plot and plenty of time for character development, and in all the right places.
The BSG mini-series stands on its own as a fantastic example of what Moore can do when he has a limited amount of time to tell a story and more time at the start to put it all together. I, for one, would love to see what he could do again with something that doesn’t take almost 80 hours to tell and not as many blue Lego pieces; it’s still cool to use the yellow and red ones and still call your building a masterpiece.
The problem is “it’s only about the characters” is look at the mess he did to the characters! The end of season 2 started the downfall of the show because the characters overnight became whiny bitches. Then season 3 it was characters and more characters, Adama might have started the war that killed everyone, the lame story of the chemical weapon that could kill the Cylons for good and Helo fighting not to use it, the famous love quadrangle mess that messed up the temple storyline. He characters’ storylines weren’t that good once he got halfway through the show.
Maybe he should have done a 4-6 year plan like many TV people do of where the characters and the plot go. He doens’t need just do movies, he just needs to plan more.
Also you will most likely have one more post about BSG as “The Plan” airs in several months.
IIRC, the “…And they have a Plan” was not put in the credits by RDM, but by the studios. I can’t remember where I heard him say that, but it must have been in a S1 podcast.
He has said it several times that Sci-fi Channel stuck that in, and that’s why they are doing a movie to try to explain what the plan was/is.
At least we get 90 more minutes of BSG out of Sci-fi being stupid.
You know, Keith, I can’t argue with anything you’ve said. As many time’s as he’s said “Its the characters, stupid,” which doesn’t bother me, he’s said that he put stuff onto screen that he doesn’t know what it means. I’m all for allowing things to be ambiguous, but I think it steps past that.
That being said, I stand by my opinions of the finale. I liked it, quite a bit.
I have always felt that whenever RDM says “he doesn’t know what it means” its more of a feeling that it was his job to get the ambiguous feeling/idea out there and it is up to us the audience to decide who/what it is.
I also have to add (since I know you were also remembering this)
Be glad we got the finale we did. Just remember RDM’s love of the Sopranos ending. If RDM got to that first (like he claimed he wished he had) the show would have ended with saving Hera but then all the cast set down at Joes Bar while Watchtower played over the radio and then cut to black. :)
Hmm… If the last shot of the show was the Last Supper pic at Joe’s Bar, I would have been okay with that.
I really liked BSG overall, start to finish, even when it rambled or went off in odd directions. I don’t really think the ending was as good as it could have been though. How likely is it that 38,000+ people will all agree to give up their creature comforts and high-tech ways like that?
You could say that they’ve seen the effects of technology on society, and that they’ve had enough. But, even if EVERYONE went along with that at the start, how long would it really last? Once those thoughts start to settle in, there’s bound to be an engineer in the group that’ll start thinking of a way to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins. ;-)
Quite simply…
Lego analogy = brilliant
Keith, Keith, Keith… I thought you were a bigger than this:
-the lack of a Cylon “plan,”
As mentioned above, that was the network wanting a hook to get random viewers in. Don’t blame that one on RDM.
-the mentioning of 13 Cylon models and the quick handling of “Daniel,”
Why is this such an issue? Extra sauce for Cavil’s evil and an explination of why Boomer was a 8 out of 7. It totally worked. Only the fans who read way too much into things took off on the whole “DANIEL IS IMPORTANT!” issue.
-the glowing spines of Cylons having sex
As has been stated many times before…the glowing spines was a cute effect done for the audience only. It never existed in the “real world” of BSG.
Please list out what else you think was not answered/addressed properly by the end of the show.
As to RDM’s painting himself into a corner and needing a smaller canvas, I have to disagree. Movie length (unless we are talking a guaranteed multiple episode series) would be way too limiting to the power of RDM. Could he write and produce a kick ass film? Sure, but in the end we would all want more out of it. I would rather he stay in the TV medium and continue to make great stuff. It’s unfortunate that I have no desire to see Caprica since thats where his attention will be. The fluid nature of the BSG storyline that evolved along the way was excellent. Granted that has the opportunity to go off the rails and be crap (ala xfiles) but I felt RDM rode that river properly and gave us an excellent narrative.
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Personally I found the answer to who/what the Head people were, including Kara, to be butt-yanked. It doesn’t matter what things you say that RDM meant to be viewer eye candy, like the glowing spines and such, it is what the viewers saw it as. And only those who had enough time to bother to read or listen to what RDM said about these details knew the truth. In essence, he alienated people who want to watch his show to have a good time and not have to come online to read what he says you’re supposed to have seen.
I’ll give him the “plan” stuff — I forgot that he said SciFi rammed that down his throat. As for the 13 models of Cylons, for crying out loud, RDM said himself that he made a mistake there.
I fully expect people to disagree with what I said. As I said, I’m not one of RDM’s proud parents. You apparently are. :)
I am defintely not a proud parent of RDM. If so, I would be gushing profusely about ALL his work. I find much of his pre-galactica work to have a myriad of issues. With BSG I felt he got it all right.
I actually came to the conclusion of the glowing spine before anything official was ever said about it. I kinda figured others did to. I never would of thought it would have been such a point of contention to some.
As for the Heads and Kara. The proof was there always to me. Even doubly so on Kara when she found her dead body. Six in the head admitted along time ago she was an angel.
I never disagreed that the numbering of cylons was a mistake.. I just felt that the explanation for it worked perfectly.
Like JMS did with his newsgroup postings back during Bab5’s initial run, RDM embraced the technology of the day to help with its run. I am sorry that you feel EVERYTHING should be on the screen, but I feel the extra knowledge given to us by the podcasts and blog posts are a part of the show. If the podcasts weren’t supposed to be so important, they wouldn’t have been released during the shows run (at least when they were on time.) Alienating people would have required him holding back all that extra stuff and never mentioning it at all.
I thought the ‘heads’ and Kara fit well into the mythos – from the very start Head Six said she was an angel, the Cylons have always been talking about “God’s plan”, and in that context the Kara reveal made sense to me. The epilogue with the heads as angels 150,000 years later just helped to hammer that point home.
The glowing spine looked cool… just assume Cylon men are straight and the Cylon women never did it doggy style or reverse cowboy and that clears that up.
I speculated on Daniel as much as the next guy, and when it was over and he wasn’t revealed as Kara’s dad or anything, I wasn’t disappointed. He was a boxed model we never saw, used to explain the odd numbering and, like Akbar said, to add to Cavil’s evil. His story was FULLY explained to us, some just didn’t take it at face value (just like Head Six saying she was an angel all along), and there’s nothing wrong with that and rampant speculation. It’s fun at the time, it’s one of the best parts of conversing about a show like this… but it gets tiresome when people repeatedly complain that their vision didn’t jibe with the writers final product.
I’m a huge fan, have been from the start – and I never once listened to a podcast (I have read the odd blog post here and there though). Really no good reason, just never got around to them… maybe once I buy the DVDs and rewatch. I never once felt alienated. at all. I can’t stress that enough.
“Don’t stop believing in the Watchtower?
Hold on to that Her-er-er-aaaaaa
Daybreak.. is the last one oh oh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
May I just make a point about legos? Have you ever stepped on one? When they find Osama Bin Laden they should make him walk barefoot down stairs littered with legos. For extra punishment they could throw a sippy cup at his head.
it’s LEGO, stupid.
So yeah, I’m afraid I’m totally in awe of the finale still & despite ONE bad episode this season & a few fillers in my eyes I think it’s all been great compared to pretty much any other show before
kinda getting bored of a lot of these type of posts now, I’m kinda sorry for people who feel it’s not been what they wanted it to be but for me it totally was.
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Since I’m not talking about the company and am talking about the toys, “lego” is completely fine. If you don’t like it, go dispute Wikipedia’s use of the word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego
Jeebus, no need to be a complete ass and calling me “stupid,” Paul … sorry “paul.” :)
You said legos, it has no plural – https://stason.org/TULARC/games/mindstorms-lego/7-Plural-of-LEGO.html
Please don’t be so sensitive, man, I was refering to your lego model correlation to the BSG writing as RDM did when he said “it’s the characters, stupid”
Maybe I should have been clearer, but I presumed incorrectly that as you had used the analogy in the first place you’d understand.
Peace fella :)
Jebus… it’s only fraking LEGOs!
You said frak.
Grace Park answers questions on finale. I hope this clears it ALL up. This is for you
Tim-1 ;)
https://io9.com/5181644/grace-park-answers-your-bsg-questions-bruce-campbell-style
(And as long as I have to step on legos, I will write the name and say the name as I please ;)
Keith, thanks for putting up my favorite scene!
My big question is, if it was all about the characters, why wasn’t a single one of them likeable by the end?
Plenty were likeable.
-Adama and Roslin: no matter what dictator like stuff they pulled, I felt their love for each other.
Helo, Athena and Hera: what a great little family.
Baltar: Hate him all you like, but in the end he did manage to help save the day.
Ellen and Saul: Even as self destructive as they were, you can’t tell me at the end you weren’t feeling a bit sorry for them and just hoping they would be all right.
i, too, was disappointed by the way the “head” characters were explained. there was a great tension in the first few seasons between the monotheism of the cylons and the dozen gods of the colonials. that was dropped somewhere in season 2 or 3, and now we are expected to believe that the two head characters are angels of some sort. that seems like a leap to me, and i found myself not really caring when that was revealed.
in fact, i found many of the so-called revelations in the finale to be disappointing. daniel was another character with so much potential that was never fulfilled.
As I said before… Head Six was revealed along time ago to be just what she ended up being. Not RDM or the shows fault for people having an issue with that.
How exactly could Daniel have been such a great character of huge potential when he was never seen and never ever planned on being more than a one off to fuel Cavil’s fire?
I think the head characters where whatever you want them to be. They could have been a psychosis shared between two people (it happens) or they could have been Angels or Demons. I think it was intentionally left blank so you can use your imagination as to what they were/are or if they even really existed.
As for Daniel, I think RDM just made a stupid mistake. I’m sure he thought “Hey let’s explain this!” but didn’t really think that people would latch on to that as a way to explain something else. To be honest I really don’t know how he didn’t see that coming, but he didn’t and so Daniel was never consequential other than to explain why Sharon was an 8 instead of a 7.
How could a shared psychosis still be present 150k years later? While I agree that the nature of the head characters was left mostly ambiguous up until the end, I feel the end defined them clearly.
Now, if you ignore the flash forward to present day and end the show back 150k years ago, I buy that the ambiguity of the head characters would still fly.
amen.
I agree with most of what you wrote here, but I find that if you sorta disconnect yourself from the whole “Well this is in our Universe so it must play by our rules” thing then the show is much more enjoyable.
One of the key things that really bothered me for a long time was the whole Trail of Dr. Baltar where Lee acting as Baltar’s defense attorney actually takes to the stand and is questioned by the other defense attorney. Talk about something that wouldn’t ever happen! But after I watched it again a couple times and really disconnected from the “Law and Order” the scene was great and it was much more enjoyable.
The same thing goes for other loose ends. The whole Daniel thing, glowing spines, etc doesn’t bother me as much because that wasn’t the story that was being told. Even far-fetched things like the way the Chief was behaving with Boomer (I mean it was pretty clear after she died that he wasn’t in love with her anymore, especially after what happened on NC) and the “Final Five” in almost it’s entirety don’t bother me that much because even though there are many, many logical flaws in a lot of the plot it’s ok just to say “This is what that character has done” rather than “This is what I think this character should have done.”
So in short, BSG is just better viewed by someone who isn’t going to critique all of the little bits and pieces that didn’t quite fit because the overall story and the character development is really what the focus was here.
Of course if I was the show runner I would have tried a little harder to keep things logical and consistent but still tell a great story. Guess you can’t have it all. :D
I don’t know about the Chief and Boomer. I mean, how can you really predict what one would do when you’ve walked in his shoes. I mean, as much as I don’t LOGICALLY UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE COULD LOVE BOOMER (stated with a big grin on my face), I think the Chief did love Boomer at one point. It was probably the first time he’d seen that model since then. He’s lost everything four or five times over (Holocaust, Boomer’s Death, Find out he’s a Cylon, Cally’s Death, Kid’s not Yours). Trying to find something representative of ‘before all this crap happened’ makes a certain amount of sense to me.
Dorv: Very funny, my friend (lol). If anyone would not love Boomer then beyond doubt the show is true fiction. By the way, Dennis, from the YSG says you are frackin genious with that Tim-8 line. Loved it.
A thought about the chief however. The chief really did love Boomer. But I found Tyrol’s behavier odd at times. If you take the actions of the chief as a whole-I’m referring to his attitude toward the women in his life. When Boomer was down and out in her post-assasination period, the chief, the one she needed to count on the most, her lover….just deserted her. Remember, Boomer even brought that up to him. I know I am enamored with Boomer and the eights, but I would not abandon ANY woman I loved like that….A man just sticks by the woman he loves. When the chief married Cally, there were times when he publicly disparaged her worth to him….as she wasn’t good enough for him. At least, that is the impression I got. While it is true that Boomer is a woman very few women could compete with, the chief was wrong in demeaning Cally that way. It is not polite, and it is cruel.
Then the chief, after being duped by Boomer when she slole Hera, vehemently ripped Boomer in front of Helo from the brig. This was soon AFTER Boomer, with all the tears and intimacy only lovers can communicate, pledged her love to him….IN SPITE OF WHAT MAY HAPPEN (she said to him). You see, the chief, during the whole series, had a serious loyalty issue to his WOMEN! I’m not saying I dislike the chief, only that I think he had that flaw concerning the women he loved. It may be best for him to have went to Alaska alone.
You’ve got some very good points about Cally. I don’t remember them that well, but there’s so much I’ve forgotten.
That being said, his desertion of Boomer early in S2 makes perfect sense to me. Months after the Cylons had killed 99.9999167% (real math) of the population, another one turns up and kills a man he loved and respected, and was providing the only light of hope at the time.
Well Dorv, I really blew it with Dennis. Dennis asked me to fracking correct my spelling and ommision errors on his comment. He also insisted that I stress that he is not a punctuation snob, but since it was his day in the sun, he wanted me to get it right. So I better oblige him thus: Quote: “Dennis says you are A fracking GENIUS with that line about Tim-8….I’m just saying.” Unquote. There. Satisfied Dennis? I’m sure Dorv appreciates it. (See what I have to put up with Dorv, lol).
Ah, but at least it gives me excuse to write another post.
Cavil was a character that often gave us very funny situational lines. One that struck my fancy was “Ya think?” when answering the question of Hera’s safety in the battle.
Although I was happy with the series overall, especially the happy ending with many of the characters, there were a lot of controversial areas (to say the least). On the issue of abandoning the technology:
That decision probably would not have been made in real life. Oh, maybe a few brave souls would have tendered it, but as a whole it would have been an illogical action for a number of reasons.
1) For any decision like that to have been implemented, a vote would have had to be taken, especially with this democratic minded group, not the decision of one or two men. The show might have implied that a vote was taken, since they were shown to be taking that action, but in my opinion, that plan would not have gone down.
2) Anybody who has read Robison Crusoe will agree that Crusoe savored and craved ANYTHING from civilization he could get his hands on in order to make his life easier. Would Crusoe willingly throw away any of the booty from the wreckage of the ships he found? I think not.
3) The colonist were down to 38,000 plus when they landed on Earth. For them to make sure their race survived they would certainly pad their chances to ensure just that. Even the people on the Mayflower brought provisions with them to the new world. No….I would want my stuff, and a couple of eights.
4) Are the people assuming that all the natives are friendly and the lions and bears have no teeth? Having a few weapons around makes for great equalizers in a savage wilderness. I look at it like insurance: It is better to have insurance and not need it, than to need insurance and not have it (exactly like my old pappy used to say).
5) In the end it made no difference.
Because….I understand the concept behind why they did it. It was the noble belief that mankind should exorcise their demons from humanity, beginning anew without the perceived evil influence that technology brings with it. The trouble was….it was based on false premises.
It makes no difference 150,000, 50,000, or 10,0000 years….man will eventually discover the genie that will come out of the bottle sooner or later. Man’s ability to build technology is within his genes. Maybe that is the message BSG meant with the “It will happen again” phrase. Certainly, the generations in our real world continue to forget the sorrows of the past: war, pestilence, hunger, etc. It happens again and again.
Knowledge is the fruit of man’s collective reign. Technology is not what makes him beloved or hated. The distinction of nobility, love, and mercy lies within man’s core values. And it is his wisdom, not his knowledge, that will set him free.